loan modification? what’s that?

Posted by admin on October 31st, 2009


Editor’s Note: I just received the following . . . Here is the timeline of the ongoing saga of one person’s attempt to be responsible AND keep the family home. It is so close to my own situation, that I decided to publish it (with permission).

foreclosureSecretsGuideThe Foreclosure Secrets Guide.
I apologize going into this because the link takes you to one of those ugly pitch pages AND because I think this PDF publication is overpriced at $197 (or $67 through mid-November).

However, it comes with a money-back guarantee from the writer/publisher and his strategies WORK; I saw a piece in action during a Visit to the Sheriff’s Office and I will let you know next week if this helped save Dennis’ home. If you can get through more battling, this may help you save your house. This was included immediately following a response from a realtor who is trying to save her home and who wrote saying that the bank did not disclose how they applied her late fees. Apparently you have the right to a full disclosure of how fees are applied AND you have the right to ask for ALL of the original documents so that you actually know who owns your house. If we do not fight back. this inept and/or illegal behaviour on the part of lending institutions will continue!

Her closing comment:
“Even though I am in the industry, I am so soured on mortgages and mortgage lenders, I may never buy another property again.”

This is a large lending institution; it is NOT Bank of America; I repeat, it is NOT Bank of America; they seem to be doing a good job for their clients.
The following can be verified.

THE SAGA OF LOAN MODIFICATION . . .

I preface this with I have NEVER asked anyone for anything. I have worked full time every day for 50 years, including in the corporate finance department of a well-regarded bank. I KNOW how a lending institution is SUPPOSED to run! Although my home has been seriously devalued, that is not a concern to me. I live in the home and would pass it on to family; the price will eventually turn around. The property devaluation has NOTHING to do with restructure and it is actually not the fault of a lending institution; devaluation is part of the ups and downs of real estate (or any investment).

I also would like naysayers to know that I would not ask for anything now were it not for the fact that The President of the United States has given mortgage lenders money to help tax-paying working people restructure home loans. The money is there and the lenders are having a difficult time parting with it . . . they’d rather give themselves bonuses. Because I was an executive assistant for many years, I keep notes on everything. What’s “restructure” look like?

  • April-September, 2008: Stage 2 Breast Cancer Treatment (Chemotherapy and Breast Cancer) – Worked full-time throughout. Depleted most of my savings with co-pays.
  • December 2008: Laid off from my executive assistant position. Had 2-3 months of savings remaining. Out of work for the first time in my life along with many thousands of other fine, highly skilled people!
  • December 2008: Property was devalued by $97,000 by the County Tax Assessor.
  • December 2008: Given the employment situation, I contacted my creditors seeking breathing room: By July 2009, I would have two retirement incomes, in addition to income from work. All cooperated immediately except The Lender (who will be named if/when appropriate). The Lender requested paperwork, which was lost repeatedly.
  • January 5, 2009: The Lender sent a form letter requesting more paperwork. I sent it via mail and FAX. When I called in, no paperwork could be located. I sent it again. It was lost again, so I contacted a non-profit negotiator seeking help.
  • February 8, 2009: Received a form letter from The Lender regarding options, including “loan modification.” Because I was short one month, The Lender stopped applying payments, even after sufficient funds were in my account to make payments. The Lender started charging me substantial late fees.
  • March 5, 2009: Letter from The Lender indicating that they would talk with the negotiator.
  • April 2009: No word from The Lender. I went through debit counseling/consolidation, “home save” counseling, etc.
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    Editor’s Note: News stories continually report numbers of “houses” lost to foreclosure. As I have mentioned elsewhere, “foreclosure” is not about “homes.” Foreclosure is about men, women, children, and pets losing their shelter, and the collapsing of community.

    The list of pain is endless: About 2 million children had or will have their lives disrupted; they fall behind in school, they have to move away from frirends, they have to live in tent cities under America’s freeways.

    One of my closest friends just had a heart attack from the stress of lost clientele to her business due to the flagging economy which led her to believe she might be able to restructure. She is with Wachovia and was told — after several months of trying to get an answer — that she would now have to wait to November. It was too much.

    People have committed suicide.

    And it gets to the simple things we love: I care for a feral cat. I have tried socializing the cat and can actually pet her, but after a few years it seems that Mrs. Dancer prefers sleeping in my backyard shed and depends on the homeowner (in this instance, me) for food and water. (Mrs. Dancer was caught and neutered for those of you who are rightfully concerned about such things.) Animals like this stand to lose their homes also. Because we are in a rural area, if Mrs. Dancer is left alone with an empty house, she will be subject to dogs, racoons, skunks, and wolves.

    PLEASE keep in mind that it is less expensive to KEEP someone in housing than to provide services to homeless people and/or to attempt to get them back into a home.

  • May 9, 2009: No response from The Lender. Due to the lagging job market, I was unable to get my salary up quickly. Financial counselors recommended bankruptcy.
  • June 2009: I called The Lender; they said that the loan had been sold and the holders of the note do not want to negotiate.
  • June 18, 2009: The Lender sent a letter asking for information (which had previously been sent), along with information re the bankruptcy. The letter stated: “If your client wishes to retain the home we have programs available . . . extended repayment plans as well as possible modification of repayment terms . . . “ signed by . . .”
  • June 2009: Called The Lender to check status. During the conversation The Lender said: “if you didn’t file bankruptcy, we could have helped you.” This struck me as insane given that we were six months into the process and if The Lender had acted in a timely manner, I might have avoided bankruptcy completely.
  • On October 20, 2009 an associate recommended checking the County Recorder’s Office to see if my house had been sold out from under me – apparently it happens. The County Recorder’s office had an “Assignment of Deed of Trust” indicating that the Grantor (which was not The Lender I had been working with) had sold the deed to Grantee.” Apparently, according to federal law, both the grantors and grantees are to inform borrowers of such a sale with 15 days. I never received anything on either transfer.
  • June-July: More lost paperwork by The Lender.
  • July 9, 2009: Court document with inaccurate information provided by/signed by The Lender’s representatives (under penalty of perjury). I checked with my attorney; The Lender did, in fact, perjure itself but he basically said, “too bad ‘cause they have dozens of lawyers and you can’t win.” (Documents can be provided.)
  • July 16, 2009: At the recommendation of a U.S. Senators, Congressional Inquiries filed.)
  • July 24, 2009 generic update letter from The Lender: “We’re writing to let you know what we’ve received your request for assistance with your mortgage payment challenges . . . reviewing information . . . committed to working with more customers than ever . . .” Signed by . . . . At no time have I talked with or heard from the same person and this person never got back to me.
  • July 27, 2009: Documentation sent to The Lender through the negotiator indicating that my income – which now comes from five sources (including SSI beginning mid-2009, and a retirement account) – is close to where it was when I took out the loan in 2006.
  • August 2009: NINE MONTHS INTO THIS PROCESS . . . Letter dated 8/9/2009 received Saturday, August 15, 2009 stating that $30,000 needs to be paid by September 9, 2009 or The Lender will accelerate foreclosure.
  • September 2009: House again devalued by the Office of the Assessor; the upside of this, of course, is that my taxes go down
  • September 27, 2009: Received modification recommendation via mail – not through the negotiator, who has been negotiating on my behalf for several months. “Modification” was at same payment level that I had been and The Lender was requesting full payments for three months, after which time they would review the account again at January 2010. At the negotiator’s request, a copy was sent to them and they continued negotiations.
  • September 29, 2009: I called The Lender to make sure they were negotiating with the negotiator and to be sure that they did NOT expect payments to be sent per their September letter. The woman I spoke with said I did not have to sign the agreement, but I should send the payments in. I asked if they would be applied to the loan. I wasn’t clear about her answer and I explained that I was afraid to send them in given that they have not been applying payments to the loan, but had been using all funds for late fees.
  • I was also told during this period that I did not quality for ANY of President Obama’s modification plans, which further confused me . . . in that case, why do I have letters suggesting that modification is possible?
  • October 10, 2009: The negotiator said The Lender representative had my paperwork and that the representative agreed that the “modification” proposed was “ridiculous” and said to continue working to obtain a better solution. The negotiator said The Lender has changed its mind again and said we would know something in a week or two.
  • October 21, 2009: Letter dated October 14, 2009 from one of The Lender’s Mortgage Specialists. The Lender in response to a Congressional Inquiry: Misinformation. Incorrect figures. INACCURACIES ON THE LENDER’s PART:

    “The Lender was subsequently notified that you would be unable to afford the payments required to the above-referenced Agreement as your financial situation had changed.” Not true. No one told The Lender that I was “unable to afford the payments.” I told them because we did not/do not have a concrete offer, I was uncomfortable making ANY payments to them given the missing/lost paperwork throughout this process. (I was recently told that current Lender’s tactics is to get as much money out of individuals, then to foreclose anyway.) While I no longer know what is or isn’t true, because of the last ten months, I would not put anything past this Lender.

  • October 21, 2009: County Recorder’s office indicates that the Deed of Trust was reassigned in mid-2009 . . . six months AFTER my initial request for restructure. I was never informed of either transfer. Again, aren’t they legally bound to inform clients within 15 days of the transfer?

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  • October 21, 2009: Telephone messages to call The Lender at xxx-xxx-xxxx. I called 5:59 p.m. PST. Initially, no one knew why The Lender called. A rep said that there is “conflicting” information in the file: She said that one statement is that The Lender is considering modification; another is that The Lender is not considering modification. The Lender’s representative offered, “I’m confused.” Then she asked for updated budget information, which I provided. The Lender’ figures indicated that I was a few thousand dollars short each month on my income. Not true. New information has been provided to them throughout this process; The Lender’ files were not updated. She carefully went through my numbers to update their records. And she said I have to submit more paperwork . . . after almost a year of lost paperwork, I don’t see the point.
  • October 22, 2009, 4:11 PM: Another message to call The Lender. This time is was a call center. I explained that I spoke with someone the prior day. She found the updated information, but when she repeated it back, some was still incorrect. Unfortunately, I was tired and upset at the insanity of all of this. A few rare tears fell. I told her that in my 50 years of work, I’d never seen anything like this mess. She was typing fast, so while The Lender has lost paperwork and never gotten anything accurate since December 2008, she probably got this right. Sad. I requested that The Lender begin contacting me through the Negotiator as I was exhausted at this process, confused by the inaccuracies and I prefer that a professional stay on top of this.
  • October 23, 2009: Updated information sent to the Negotiator (and FAXED) with copy of October 14, 2009 letter from The Lender and updates on conversation(s) with The Lender.
  • October 29, 2009, 11:56 a.m.: Call from The Lender in xxx asking for paperwork and before I could respond she said, “oh I see we have the paperwork.” I asked if it had been sent from the Negotiator. She said yes. I asked her who held the note on this property. Ensuing conversation:

    The Lender Rep: “In September 2006, XXXXX (The Lender Mortgage Backed Securities) purchased the note.”

    Me: “I was told XX or someone had the note and they would not negotiate. Also, according to the County Recorder’s office, Deed of Trust was reassigned on June 19, 2009.

    Lender’s Rep: “That is incorrect.” (She repeated this twice when I asked about it again.)

    Me: “Then the County Recorder’s Office is wrong? They have the paperwork in their records.”

    Lender’s Rep: She sounded confused and said, “Oh, we have to correct that.”

    Me: “I AM confused. Aren’t you supposed to notify me when the note on my property is transferred or sold?”

    Lender’s Rep: Yes.

    Me: And isn’t whoever purchased the note supposed to notify me also?

    Lender’s Rep:: Yes.

  • This type of confusion is indicative of The Lender’s ongoing “management” of my request for loan modification. This, along with the fact that I have NEVER talked with the same person more than once since this started in December 2008, is a perfect example of WHY I did not want to make payments for three months without a firm agreement as to a loan modification. There is NO indication that The Lender knows what it is doing.
  • I told several of this Lender’s reps during the past few months that I am afraid of The Lender and I am afraid to talk to The Lender because of their repeated twisting of information.

Am I afraid to send you this? Am I worried about some type of retaliation if the Lender can figure out who this might be? You BET!

Would any of my friends believe that I’m afraid of anything. NO THEY WOULD NOT. This is a first.

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5 Responses to “loan modification? what’s that?”

  1. Cathi Pierce Says:

    AH! This could be ME, attempting to communicate with OUR lender! I fax in all required paperwork, they send me a letter, weeks later, asking for MORE paperwork-some of which was in the most recent fax to them . . .

    Then, come the requests for updated paystubs and bank statements. This has been going on for 5 months, and, although we began this odyssey while we still had some savings, it is gone now.

    I am a Realtor. I expected to be proficient in wading through this mess. I am also the reason we are in this bind; Real Estate, as well as consumer confidence, are at the CORE of this depression!

    I have not closed a deal this year; hence our financial situation. Additionally, we are nearing Retirement, my husband manages a small retail business for a larger corporation, and THEY are constantly closing one store at a time. We are facing very uncertain Golden Years, which is sad, because we had our plans laid out, and they’ve been destroyed.

    I now send everything to several people, the Modification Dept for our lender, President Obama, our Senator and our Governor . . . but as I write this, I can hear . . . tick . . . tick . . . tick . . . tick . . .

  2. Susan Says:

    This could be my story, too, and that of so many others. As agents, we are seeing the devastation up close and personal both in our own lives and of our clients and customers. The run-around and red tape rivals that of the government.

    After waiting for the lender to respond to our requests, we had to start all over after they completed the takeover by JP Morgan Chase of my lender. We were late with payments but they were accepting payments once my lost income was replaced by SS.

    Suddenly, we were in a foreclosure status and had to come up with the entire balance all at once. With no written statement as to the breakdown of some $16K that they wanted. We are lucky that we have some commission money coming in soon and we have a family member who was willing to float us a short-term loan for the amount we were short, so we are OK for now.

    But will we ever find out how much we paid in late charges when they were refusing to accept partial payments?? Somebody needs to be looking into this.

    Even though I am in the industry, I am so soured on mortgages and mortgage lenders, I may never buy another property again.

  3. Todd Wetzelberger Says:

    I’m not sure how I ended up here (maybe divine intervention) but I have a duty to get the word out that homeowners have far more rights than they know and if they will take the time to get educated, they can beat the lenders at their own game.

    We know the system is rigged. We know crooked lenders, attorneys and judges allow illegal foreclosures to occur every day. But what most people don’t know is that you can fight back and the law is actually on your side.

    I’m personally rescinding 5 mortgages for lender fraud and will be going to the SEC soon. This is in addition to helping homeowners avoid foreclosure and take a legal “bat” to the lenders to get them to do the “right thing”.

    I’ve been in the shoes of most of you after hurricane Katrina wiped our our real estate business literally overnight. Our backs were against the wall and we fought back and now that experience has taught us how to do the same for others.

    Google “where’s the note” for starters and catch the interview with 14 term Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur and Bill Moyers to learn what you are up against.

    If you remember nothing else, remember that “possession is 9/10th’s of the law” If you possess the house you own it. If the lender doesn’t possess the original “wet ink” signature note they have NO claim to your house.

    I’ve defaulted 5 lenders and not one has brought forth the note, because they don’t have it…

    Do not leave your house, if you want to keep it and are willing to fight I can show you how…

  4. admin Says:

    From the editor in response to Todd Wetzelberger’s eMail regarding Forensic Audits:

    Forensic Audits may be the route many of us will have to go; yet another indication of the sad state our country is in. Wetzelberger’s services start with a “Do It Yourself Loan Modification” at $695. I have a problem with that fee as there ARE step-by-step books for less than $200 and free services assisting with loan modifications, including the Neighborhood Assistance Corporation of America (NACA.com)

    Wetzelberger also “offers” Forensic Audit/Full Service Home Retention packages at $3,750 designed to reduce your balance and “ensure you can afford your new mortgage payment.” Again, the cost is high and it is now illegal in some states (including California) to charge fees for services that profess to save your home. There are many sharks circling in these bloody foreclosure waters. NO ONE can guarantee a home-save-program, which is why it is now illegal in some states to ask for up-front fees.

    The banks do NOT want to negotiate. Thus far, of the dozen or more people I know seeking a modification, NO ONE HAS BEEN GIVEN ANY MODIFICATION AT ALL. It’s an ugly picture.

    The offer my lender proposed was $15 a month less than I’m now paying (and I have a high mortgage). They sweetly explained that over the course of the loan, this would “save me” $15,000 . . . they didn’t mention, though, that they have tacked on so many fees that they will still be way ahead of the game. When I nicely said “thanks but no thanks,” and suggested they go back to the drawing table AND that I would be formally requesting original/signed notes, the bank’s rep gasped.

  5. Mortgage Loan Modification Says:

    There’s so much misinformation out there that people don’t really know what is and is not. It’s refreshing to see people that know what they’re talking about.

    You have an informed commentary seems to be a rare commodity these days. Keep it coming

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